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They also adhere to the steel walls and fill up any voids. In a true composite safe, the strength of the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
Is it really that easy to get into a gun safe with a pry bar? Many other gun safes have similar pry attack resistance.
The attack starts at Interestingly the American Centurion has different anti-pry tabs than those shown in the video. The video shows the stronger tabs of their high end models.
In the Liberty version of the video, you can see the door and frame flexing from the start. However, the guys in the video spend all of their time on the same corner of the door instead of working around to find the weakest point.
This prolongs their attack. In comparison here is a Sturdy safe which also has four locking bolts. The door sheet is also thicker, making it easier for the bolts to hold the door shut.
You can see the strength of the safe comes from the construction and the steel in the door, door frame, locking bolt mechanism, and walls.
Elaborate Locking Bolts Designed to Impress Buyers. Elaborate bolt work systems are mainly designed to impress a buyer enough get his credit card out.
Doors with dozens of locking bolts are impressive to look at, but mean nothing if connected to a locking bolt bar carriage, door jamb, and door all thin enough they can be easily bent during a pry attack.
This also applies to top, bottom, and corner locking bolts. Bolt work with lots of gears and moving parts actually adds more points of failure and mechanical maintenance with a negligible increase in security.
Some complicated bolt work systems even give a burglar more options for attacking the gun safe. High security safes often have only 3 moving locking bolts.
These will be located on just one side of the door! The hinge side will have fixed bolts or a welded tongue or wedge.
Any additional bolts beyond that just reduce the mechanical reliability. And any increase in pry attack protection will be negligible.
A well-built 3 locking bolt system can be stronger than 30 bolts. In summary, gun safes are constructed much differently than real safes.
Thank you so much for this information. I have a decent off-brand safe, one thought to be a high quality safe. Now that I better understand the construction requirements, I realize that my safe is very vulnerable to attack and will be sure to bolt it down in the next 10 days!
While I think a 7 — 10 ga plate safe can be constructed to be very strong, I now know that size does matter in wall thickness and construction.
Thanks for the education! Very informative web site. Good info there my neighbor has his small business safe broken into they used something to widen the box so the door would come off.
They only targeted the safe as it held 25k in gold. He suspects it was exterminator company as they were the only ones who went into the room in the year.
I need to upgrade, but I have installed a camera system and a cellular connected security system which is battery backed so nothing other then a cell jammed could stop it.
I still want to upgrade my safe. I think the only thing that will let me sleep at night is a TL safe. You will hand that safe down to generations of kids.
I sent to a amsec and graffunder dealer and saw for myself the pried open safes and why graffunder is the way to go. I would say that is 14 gauge those are very easy to use a rechargeable sawzall on like the jewelry story in this blog they had a liberty safe see how they sawzalled into it.
I would get rid of that cheap safe and get a sturdy safe. Those are easy targets for pry attacks. I wondered the same thing I know liberty presidential has 7 ga.
Outer walls 4 ga. Dead in the mid line is more like it. Love all of this information. Thank You! I ran across your article while looking for UL and CEN comparison for some UK safes I have purchased.
I have printed your article and will use it to educate. I do not sell junk safes. Your article had some great points I had not thought of. I am sometimes at a loss of words when I am trying to educate a client.
This info will help, and I will read it many times. Thank You and Warm Regards, John Bannon. Thanks for showing how the bolt is supposed to work on a gun safe.
Thanks for sharing! I googled TL safe and seen a guy on the AR15 forum who bought a used one from a jewelry store that went out of business.
It had the TL fire rating and he was crowing how good a deal it was at only He had taken photos of the door inside and it had sliding tabs instead of locking bolts.
I noted the tabs only went through 1 thin outer later of steel and then were secured inside via small looking bolts through them.
In other words there was scant little protection against a pry-bar attack. Those tabs would have folded and allowed the door to be pried open pretty easily if the door was loose fitting enough to allow pry-bars in.
So the point is a TL safe has a 2 hr fire rating, the TL rating does not mean it is more secure, though it would most certainly be better then a cheap gun safe.
After reading this article I am going to have a utility room size cement pad poured at my next house that will support a lot of weight and then have a shell of a room built.
I plan on it being large enough to use as a panic room as well as a vault and gun safe. Link below to the AR15 post with the great deal on a TL safe.
Take a look at the photos of the door and notice how the large locking tabs and poorly supported inside the door.
Would I buy this safe for a cheap price, sure but I would then dismantle the door and weld in supports for the tabs so they would not be easily bent.
This safe is better then a cheap-o gun safe but still not great just because it is TL rated. If this link does not work use the one my sig is linked to, I used the same link as the one above to the AR15 forum article.
A TL 30 safe would be a pretty good barrier against theft. Robert, The website went over what TL means the safe has withstood 30 minutes of professional safe crackers.
He even shows a video of UL doing the test on a TL has to last 30 minutes of brute force attack. Those old TL Jewelry safes with the small bolts are much better then any sheet metal gun safe.
Read the entire website before you commit. Very good information. I debated back and forth about getting a gun safe for my firearms but in the end I decided against it.
If a burglar comes into your house and sees a gun safe he will realize you have firearms and direct his attention to the safe and possibly get into it and steal everything anyways.
I personally decided it would be better to just hide all the guns and to anyone entering my house you would have no clue that I am a gun owner.
It appears to me that one key element to prying the door open is laying the safe on its back, and having ample room to work the pry bars.
In a situation where the safe is in a confined area, and bolted down prying open the door would be most difficult as you would not be able to manipulate the bars for leverage.
Proper placement of the safe is not really discussed. I believe this is of the most importance. Absolutely right Bill. The Ideal Closet Location shown there takes advantage of confining your confined area element to protect the non-hinge side of the door against pry attacks.
Nobody ever does a real world test. How about taking a Cannon or Winchester safe say a 64 gun safe that you can get at TS and mount it to the floor and against a corner wall and see how easy it would be to pry on with a wall that in the way of a large pry bar.
I think the crook would just use a grinder with a cut off wheel. You could just put a sticker that says pounds of black powder inside.
Or really store gun powder on the one side that is exposed. What about buying a cheap gun safe or a decoy and leaving it empty, or filling it with popcorn foam?
The thief will waste all of their time breaking into the decoy and afterwards probably be completely freaked out that they just got punked.
Criminally high prices. Those drill bits cut very fast even 4 gauge steel. Now days drill protections and re-lockers are a must.
My best advice for small collections is use the NRA insurance and get a sturdy safe brand they are the best for the money. Weight is a major issue as I have a wood floor 2 story house.
Of course I want the thing in my bedroom on the second floor. At our local gun shows, we have 3 different companies that exhibit. My point, is i practically climbed into a liberty, with my flashlight, and gave it a very thorough inspection.
Not only are the bolts pressing against the very thin steel of their safe body in a pry attack, but I found parts without fireboarding.
The boarding in the bend of the body to make the area for the door, the fireboard fell off into my hand, it was stapled into place by staple gun, and it barely was enough to keep it in place.
They look so solid, but they definetly cut corners. They failed, they couldnt get in, oh what a wonderful safe, they failed to break in!
I learned more in this one article than I have from the days and days of searching the Internet to learn more about safes, trying to make a wise purchase.
Thank you so much for your research and links. Why not Just get a decent safe and a kickass alarm system? Unless you have to evacuate your home the alarm system will get the police and yourself there within a half hour.
I think you should have both. Thank you so much for this video. Great education for someone like me who is looking to buy a safe and confused by all the marketing gimmicks!
It seems like the only real protections these safes can offer is protection from Fire to some degree. Silly laws! Thanks again. I was doing my due diligence in purchasing a gun safe.
Then I said I better learn more before I make a foolish purchase. Thank you for this article. I will save some more money and make a better purchase.
Just when I thought I knew which gun safe to buy!! I now see how most of us are duped into purchasing subpar equipment. Hubby is going to be disappointed without a big box under the Xmas tree this Christmas.
Build a little stage out of wood and place it in the corner of your basement, then put a cheap drum set on top, but build it so the bottom of the stage has a removable, slide-out with your guns.
Fantastic idea for those putting together music rooms! Thanks for the idea! Other ideas can be found in Money-Saving Ways to Protect Your Guns.
Hello Private, Thanks for your comment. I try to keep the data on the site as accurate as possible, and so appreciate when anyone draws my attention to a potential error.
All the sources cited can be found in the Sources section, along with a caveat about statistics. Cheers, Jaime.
Please ignore the naysayers. Your site helped me make a well informed choice. I just had a Sturdy Safe delivered with lots of steel upgrades.
Thank you for the hard work you have put into this tutorial. Great site and thank you for sharing your detailed and deep knowledge of gun safes.
Love the clear, factual presention of the material. Its a disgrace the false security these safes give. I was a believer so just as this says, put everything valuable we owned in it and slept peacefully, we shouldnt have.
I bought a Liberty Fat Boy because it was pretty much all I could find within a convenient distance while I was having my house built. I did have it bolted into the floor and surrounded by framing and a wall on the non-hinge side and cabinetry on top and on the hinge side.
To get into the safe, I think burglars would either have to destroy a whole lot of cabinetry or go straight in through the front door with a crowbar — the gap between the non-hinge side and the framing is about an inch.
Are there any retrofits I should think about? Sounds like you did a great job. My grandfather was shot and robbed in the middle of the day at his house.
He was 78 years old and they rang his doorbell. When he opened the door 3 guys were on their knees with one holding a shotgun and they shot him in the face.
Most the damage was done to his lower face and jaw. So sorry for your loss Wesley. I pray for you and your grandfather, and that by relating this story, you may help others protect themselves and their loved ones from such terrible acts.
We were particularly interested in the statistic of a break in. This is a great and very informative website. Thank you for all the work and study to produce it.
I have been looking for home security for years and found most safes to be as good as you pay for them. I am currently looking at the Steelwater Co.
Very informative! I was NOT happy that, like others, I had been sold a line of BS when I purchased the Liberty!
The guy I purchased it from is a retired vault specialist. Gun Safe Burglary. Graffunder C-Rate Safe. Graffunder C-Rate Safe Door Gap.
Graffunder C-Rate Safe Cross Section. Gun Safe Door Gap with Dime for reference. Gun Safe Security Issues From a security perspective, there are several fundamental problems with the construction of most gun safes.
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